Apologies in advance. For example, we may be going through some stuff and cannot, in our understanding, comprehend how anything good can come out of it.
Peace aka God is a pre-requisite for understanding in the linear experience of time. Out of nothing aka God comes everything, including understanding. In other words, it;s the meditative and surrender stance that supplies everything. When that is dropped surrendered or even rationally inquried into then, aha! Understanding is no different than money or any other worldly goals — it is not necessary. But when that is accepted, it like all things serve Good. Because you with the veil of the separate person mirage dropped IS Good!
I think someone is spinning a yarn in order to get Romans and Proverbs to sound rosy when it is not. Instead of listening to people spinning yarns about remote villages no one has visited, why not look at how people in the Bible handle things: — The martyrs under the altar in heaven pray for God to avenge them remember, there is no sin in heaven, so their prayer is sinless.
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God tells them to wait till the number of martyrs is complete Rev — In the Seventh Seal, an angel gets burning coals from that altar representing the prayers of the martyrs and hurls the burning coals down to the earth. Romans Let God take care of it. Gen What an overread of this verse. Get over it. So do you read the Bible in Greek or Hebrew?
Well, that might sometimes sort of make sense if it had all been written by one person a few years ago in English.
But the most recently written books were written nearly two thousand years ago, and parts were written long before that. None of it was written in English. I remember the story of the college English literature professor who explained to his class the meaning of a particular selection of contemporary prose. A student disagreed. The professor corrected him.
The student wrote the author, who was still alive. The author responded. Guess what? The author confirmed that the student was correct. The professor decided in the future that he would use only selections from deceased writers, so that he could not be proven wrong. Sometimes there is scant evidence to know what some words, phrases or even stories meant when they were written thousands of years ago. So we try to figure it out. If you know what it says, then as Jesus said, do it. Thanks, love this stuff, what a wonderful service this was.
I read a book with other research like this, that I highly enjoyed. You guys must know each other! It clearly has to do with the pricking of their conscience which certainly carries with it some discomfort. That is indeed how many read it and teach it. Wondered about this scripture for a long time because at first it looked like a contradiction to what God was teaching but….
It has to do with in either Grecian or Roman times that in order to be forgiven. Therefore you are the same as praying for your enemy that he will be forgiven as Jesus said forgive them father for they know not what they do. Thanks for this commentary. This certainly helps my understanding of the passage and how I should live in response.
As a Mennonite minister he believes in the way of peace, so instead of calling the authorities or shouting threats, Peter and his wife invite the young men in for a midnight meal. Their act of kindness brings unexpected results. Peter is not alone in this collection of true stories. Each tells of returning love for hate, good for evil.
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Written for elementary age children but of interest to teens and adults , Elizabeth H. Bauman shares 17 true stories of men and women from various times and countries who showed the universal power of Christian love. Product details For ages Format Paperback pages Dimensions Rating details. Our customer reviews Based on the Scripture, "If your enemies are hungry, feed them; if they are thirsty, give them something to drink; for by doing this you will heap coals of fire on their heads" Romans , this "children's peace classic" offers seventeen true stories about returning love for hate and good for evil, taken from various cultures and time periods.
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Time-wise, they begin with the story of Isaac and Abimelech recorded in Genesis chapter 26, continue with early Christians in ancient Rome, Mennonites and other Anabaptists in Reformation Europe, Amish in eighteenth century Pennsylvania, Quakers during the American Revolution, a believer during the anti-Jewish riots in Russia, an early twentieth century peace missionary to India, twentieth century Brethren missionaries in Africa, conscientious objectors during World War I, the post World War I International Voluntary Civilian Service, and a Mennonite relief worker in World War II.
Not everyone will necessarily agree with all the traditional "non-resistance" premises historically taken by Anabaptists and Quakers upon which these stories are based, such as that "to kill was a sin-even in self defense," that "military training was always wrong," and that Christians are absolutely forbidden to fight and kill in war, although through the years some of our brethren in churches of Christ have held and yet do hold these same positions. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul.
Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
Coals of Fire by Elizabeth Hersheerter Bauman
Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him. A stream of fire issued and came out from before him; a thousand thousands served him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him; the court sat in judgment, and the books were opened.
So they shall fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun; for he will come like a rushing stream, which the wind of the Lord drives.
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You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you. He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide disputes for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore. Whoever conceals his transgressions will not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
Be not envious of evil men, nor desire to be with them, for their hearts devise violence, and their lips talk of trouble. By wisdom a house is built, and by understanding it is established; by knowledge the rooms are filled with all precious and pleasant riches.
A wise man is full of strength, and a man of knowledge enhances his might, When a man's ways please the Lord , he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him. Let burning coals fall upon them! Let them be cast into fire, into miry pits, no more to rise! Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life; you stretch out your hand against the wrath of my enemies, and your right hand delivers me. A Psalm of David. The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. He makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters.